Temorarily Lifting the Ban on Superweapons?

LAME, so you're saying that despite a clear majority this wouldn't be "cool" well that blows.

Wait a minute... I might be getting as senile as Gabe, but I could've sworn last I looked like was 65% to 35%... I could have sworn a majority of people were voting in favor of...

The vote looks pretty even to me, though not many who voted no have said anything which is more than a little disappointing. But anyway if a vast majority said yes to it I may have brought it up as a possibility, that wasn't the case.

Though it does look like someone logged in with all of their accounts and voted no, which is more disappointing than hardly anyone who voted no not saying anything at all.

Yeah, there were a hell of a lot less "no" votes last night....
Foul play here...? Pathetic.


Frankly I believe that this kind of shake-up would be exactly what this site needs, accompanied by a decent site-wide War RP. The two ought to go hand-in-hand. War = collateral damage and loss; when there's nothing at stake, coupled with the fact that anyone can deny the deaths of their characters anyway... kinda waters down the whole experience.

I think it was said in the disclaimer of the war that, that was null and void. Plus there are a few planets out there were those traffic lights dont mean diddly.

Honestly, I don't think it's the votes in a poll that matter, it's what public opinion is; has anyone in this thread actually solidly expressed a "no" stance in response to a question? Of course, it's all up to the Whills anyway, and I think they could sense foul play when it comes to the numbers game, which is why most of the time they actually ask for opinions rather than votes when it comes to decisions on things, at least, that's been my experience.

To be honest, I never was a fan of archiving the planets. I just feel like it takes away some potential awesome storylines when one is taken away. Maybe boring ones that no one's heard of before are fine, but worlds like Raxus Prime got archived, and c'mon, an entire planetary junkyard is an awesome place. I understand the notion was to try to get people to RP closer together, but let's be honest, has that really happened? Oh sure, one could point out the big Mando war that's about to kick off, but that was in the works before the archiving happened.

Now that I've gotten that completely irrelevant rant out of the way, it depends on the type of superweapon. And it would have to be a place that would get more people involved, or else it'll likely be little more than one side vs. the side who tries to stop it, i.e. Sith with a superweapon and Jedi trying to eliminate it. Doesn't really seem all that encompassing. It would have to be pulled off properly, with some way to get more than just those two major groups. Then there's picking the planet that would potentially get wiped, which I guess is related to my archiving rant in the sense that I wouldn't want to see a major RPing world archived because it was destroyed. More incentive to defeat the bad guys, sure, but there's still the chance they win and the planet goes kaput. Maybe the kind of superweapon that just wipes out a planet's ecosystem and it would have to be completely rebuilt would be a bit more acceptable, and the planet would have to be rebuilt (with perhaps an RL amount of time tacked onto it before it could be considered rebuilt to its former glory, or close to it), but I do admit that's less gripping than the thought of it actually being wiped out altogether.

What world would I suggest? I really don't know. One that isn't too important in either canon or JvS, but one that isn't completely insignificant either. Syren offered Froz, someone jokingly suggested Alderaan... or maybe that was serious... I wouldn't say Alderaan, since that's already kind of a tricky subject already, and two destructions of Alderaan would just be confusing. I dunno, maybe if this idea passed, people could submit worlds, and if that world's writing team is completely open to letting the world get offed, or even an abandoned world that's important enough, one of those would work.

It's definitely an intriguing idea, it just needs a lot of treatment and delicate handling if you want it to work well.

*Draws a pentagram on the floor and begins chanting in multiple languages speaking gibberish.*

I summon Dante the Deciever in defence mode and end my turn.



Seriously man if you support this you should speak up you have a way with words and seem to get player ideas written eloquently and in such a way that people listen.

[action:pwnso0r1]The pentagram explodes into black flame, and a creature drags itself out of hell.[/action:pwnso0r1]

[quote:pwnso0r1]ATK: 2500
DEF: 3000

"This treacherous creature enjoys masquerading as an ally, before betraying them at the most inopportune time."

- Every round, this monster drains 150 LP from its owner.[/quote:pwnso0r1]

Sup.

Uh, as for posting here; I've been following along, but am relatively neutral towards this. I WILL say though, that the voting poll shouldn't be used to gauge player reception; it's easily manipulated, and results can be easily skewed. An ideal poll would be a voting thread, where each individual adds their name and their vote to a list - or petition if you will. Later, the Whills can check those that voted for multiple IP's. That way, there's a more accurate - and more fair - representation of whats going on.

Had I been a little more serious about it I would have made it a voting thread rather than a poll, I simply thought people would be mature enough to vote with only one account since it was very likely that nothing would come of this in the first place.

In fact I will do that now just to see what happens.

[quote="Aerandir Calmcacil":39q6mqf4]... someone jokingly suggested Alderaan... or maybe that was serious...[/quote:39q6mqf4]


I was being semi-serious.
I actually believe having Alderaan destroyed in RP might [i:39q6mqf4]lessen[/i:39q6mqf4] the confusion surrounding that planet's existence on here. I've already heard/read so many comments along the lines of,

"why is Alderaan here? Wasn't it destroyed?"

"If we're trying to keep with canon then why is [Alderaan] still around?"

I guess the same could be said for Malachor V, and maybe Taris.... Same sort of idea.

If we're trying to consider what planet should be destroyed, wouldn't it be more prudent to consider planets that were destroyed in canon?
As some individuals have stated here, JvS is supposed to be about keeping in line with canon.

[quote="Aerandir Calmcacil":39q6mqf4]
To be honest, I never was a fan of archiving the planets. I just feel like it takes away some potential awesome storylines when one is taken away. Maybe boring ones that no one's heard of before are fine, but worlds like Raxus Prime got archived, and c'mon, an entire planetary junkyard is an awesome place. I understand the notion was to try to get people to RP closer together, but let's be honest, has that really happened? Oh sure, one could point out the big Mando war that's about to kick off, but that was in the works before the archiving happened.[/quote:39q6mqf4]

I understand the sentiment here, but at the same time, "potential awesome storylines" that may never happen are a poor anchor for keeping empty forums around.
Raxus Prime was archived, I assume, because it simply wasn't getting any RP. So for someone to come around now that it has been archived and say, "well I was [i:39q6mqf4]gonna[/i:39q6mqf4] RP on it..." doesn't help when it was around for... how long? And not getting any RP. Less helpful for someone to come around now and say, "well [i:39q6mqf4]someone[/i:39q6mqf4] could have RPed on it..."

Being awesome and being relevant are two entirely different animals, and unfortunately some planets on JvS, while "awesome," aren't incredibly relevant to the RPs being written in the Universe. I think having these planets 'destroyed' would put them to more use in sparking stories off of that event, rather than keeping them around for the sake of something that may or may not ever be used.

There, see? I can make my own rant. :)

The idea is that the planets all exist at the height of their canon glory. Alderaan, Taris, all in their prime.

As for the archiving of planets, the ones archived weren't seeing any use anyway so it kinda pointless to reminisce about how awesome they could have been.

Also, damn, this vote turned around fast.

It's because someone last night voted no on all their accounts, it was easy to tell because there was a huge point swing within like two or three minutes. I made a "post your name" thread to get a more accurate number.

[quote="Inferno":lmqbebqr]I understand the sentiment here, but at the same time, "potential awesome storylines" that may never happen are a poor anchor for keeping empty forums around.
Raxus Prime was archived, I assume, because it simply wasn't getting any RP. So for someone to come around now that it has been archived and say, "well I was [i:lmqbebqr]gonna[/i:lmqbebqr] RP on it..." doesn't help when it was around for... how long? And not getting any RP. Less helpful for someone to come around now and say, "well [i:lmqbebqr]someone[/i:lmqbebqr] could have RPed on it..."

Being awesome and being relevant are two entirely different animals, and unfortunately some planets on JvS, while "awesome," aren't incredibly relevant to the RPs being written in the Universe. I think having these planets 'destroyed' would put them to more use in sparking stories off of that event, rather than keeping them around for the sake of something that may or may not ever be used.

There, see? I can make my own rant. :)[/quote:lmqbebqr][quote="Old Man Eralam":lmqbebqr]As for the archiving of planets, the ones archived weren't seeing any use anyway so it kinda pointless to reminisce about how awesome they could have been.[/quote:lmqbebqr]
But... But... but you're [i:lmqbebqr]limiting my creativity![/i:lmqbebqr] :(

(No, I'm not being serious.)

The only counterpoint I could make regarding people saying they wanted to RP but hadn't could simply be because of people who don't like splitting timelines or already had a few going already they wanted to wrap up first, and you know how slow plots can go on here sometimes. :P
[quote="Adrien Draykon":lmqbebqr]I made a "post your name" thread to get a more accurate number.[/quote:lmqbebqr]
Should we only vote there and discuss here, or were you intending to make the other thread a discussion thread as well? Want to know before I post there since I don't actually really have a stance yet. Want to lean towards yes, but still not there yet.

EDIT: Don't know how I totally destroyed that quote tag...

Vote there, discuss here. Alternatively you could put an "on the fence" category.

[quote:2vyrwu97]Raxus Prime was archived, I assume, because it simply wasn't getting any RP. So for someone to come around now that it has been archived and say, "well I was gonna RP on it..." doesn't help when it was around for... how long? And not getting any RP.[/quote:2vyrwu97]

I was actually lined up to RP there on an alt and found it was gone :( oh well JOTWs it is for that planet.

I have broken the tie...and here is my reason.

There are always superweapons in Canon, one or another etc. It brings out the big "hero" type writing that everyone wants to do with their character. I defy you to tell me I am wrong in this.

A superweapon makes people think out a creative way to defeat said superweapon. And remember a superweapon need not be a death star, or a huge ship. It could be orbital nightcloak, it could be something that is being built but if it gets destroyed first, it is still a superweapon. There are endless ways for things to happen, especially if there are Jedi, Mandos, and Sith all involved.

The Sith could build some kind of soul sucking dark side device, the Mandos could build planet busting warheads, and the Jedi could build...something. But the point remains it would be fun to write against a superweapon in a competitive way instead of just banning them altogether.

Heck it could even be a successful superweapon and destroy some planet that should be removed from the boards due to lack of activity, turning it into say the "asteroid field of X planet", making it a permanent part of JvS history so to speak.

I agree with Taung that this kind of writing brings out the very best in people, as much as I want to read something so epic and so awesome that I want to read it again is good. I may even save the posts because it was that good.

However, we have to realize that when Taung mentioned "Hero" Writings that we all know and love, the author had an ending. And he knew what was going to happen. None of us will know what happens because we are all the heroes of our own story. What do we do when the glory and the heroic epic that we wrote is gone? Now we have a planet that's split in pieces. With nothing but a satiated appetite for glory to keep us full. One can argue that not many people may feel as if sacrificing planets for amazing story writings (No matter how epic it may be) is worth it.

I understand the thrill of battle in RP. I know how that feels, your heart is pumping and you want to help your friends win a war, break the front-lines of an enemy battle charge. Charge ahead of that Star Destroyer and press the trigger to launch the torpedo. But we all have to understand, that if the consequences and later actions that will cause this planet to be destroyed.

Is our Epic really good enough to keep us satisfied forever? What about the others who wanted to create their own awesome stories in the planet? Now they have no chances to do so. Because the planet, or what's left of it. Is in pieces.

Decide carefully. (Not that it may matter anyway).

I just thought about this but what about a Dyson sphere that blocks out the sun and thus stops all plant life on the planet.