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Post Sun Jun 03, 2012 6:57 pm

Thor vs. Iron Man

Throwdown brawl. Who wins? I say Thor. An acquaintance of mine says Iron Man. Here are our arguments, what are yours?

[quote="me":3hbv4u2d]Thor. Reasons:

-Knows the true meaning of 'Hammer Time' (he actually taught MC Hammer the meaning of Hammer Time)
-The Mighty Biceps
-Brings the boom (thunder)
-Exquisite fashion sense (flowing red cape and blond hair, anybody?)
-Carries a +10 War Hammer of Divine Smiting.[/quote:3hbv4u2d]
[quote="A detractor":3hbv4u2d]ironman...need i say more[/quote:3hbv4u2d]
[quote="me":3hbv4u2d]Iron Man vs Thor. Thor wins.[/quote:3hbv4u2d]
[quote="The detractor":3hbv4u2d]pretty sure in the fight between Iron Man and Thor, it was a draw...or don't you remember[/quote:3hbv4u2d]
[quote="me":3hbv4u2d]I remember that Thor was able to crush part of Iron Man's armor with his bare hands. That tells me that if Thor unchains his full power, he can do serious damage to the suit - and without the suit, Stark may still be a genius billionaire playboy philanthropist, but Thor has him beat. As soon as the suit is compromised and unable to operate at full capacity, Thor wins.[/quote:3hbv4u2d]
[quote="The clever debater":3hbv4u2d]Except, that when they actually fought for real, they tied[/quote:3hbv4u2d]
[quote="me":3hbv4u2d]Neither was straight-out trying to kill the other.

Think about it. What firepower does Iron Man have that Thor can't handle? Nothing that I'm aware of. Repulsor blasts will toss Thor around, but they can't kill him, and while the various rockets and such are more of a problem, I doubt they'll be problem. (Hypothesizing off the top of my head, were I Thor, I'd hit them with chain lightning, and they wouldn't even get close. And that's just one option.)

Iron Man can only take as much damage as his suit can, and his suit is not invincible, as we see from when he gets banged around by the turbine and the Chitaari. We can also assume that Thor is going to be laying down a lot more pain than either the turbine or the Chitaari.[/quote:3hbv4u2d]
[quote="the detractor":3hbv4u2d]except, that when they actually fought for real, they tied[/quote:3hbv4u2d]
[quote="me":3hbv4u2d]Except that's not an argument. Again, they weren't trying to kill each other, and they tied because Captain America jumped in, took the edge off of Thor's pissed-off-ness with his shield*, and calmed them both down. They tied because Joss wanted them to tie, not because they're legitimate equals.

*(Which, if he lost it, would leave him completely at Thor's mercy.)[/quote:3hbv4u2d]
[quote="the detractor":3hbv4u2d]i'd just like to point out that thor isn't immortal as Loki almost proved...so if Ironman actually wanted to kill thor, he probably could with the use of a few tank missiles.....not to mention thor is an emotional girly man who talks in a goofy accent[/quote:3hbv4u2d]
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Post Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:08 pm

Re: Thor vs. Iron Man

Was there actually a detractor or did you just throw together a bunch of random responses that wouldn't hold up in any debate outside of kindergarten?

And if movie Thor lives up to comic Thor, he wins it by a mile. At present in the main comic timeline, he's survived at the center of the sun unscathed and can destroy planets by punching them, and that's just for starters. But even if movie Thor is significantly less powerful than that, he can still take anything Iron Man throws at him and nearly destroyed his armor just by squeezing. Full power punches or hits with the hammer would turn Iron Man's insides to mush, armor or no (unless he has some tech that prevents extreme G's from killing him).

And there's also the fact that Thor is a god, and Iron Man is pretty much exactly what he sounds like.
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Post Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:18 pm

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This a serious question?

Movie-wise, Thor's punches can stagger the Hulk. The Hulk. The poster boy for Person of Mass Destruction. Nigh-unstoppable, and here's this guy who doesn't even need his mighty hammer to stagger the beast. And with said hammer, all he'd have to do is knock Hulk down and set his hammer down on his chest; the one thing even the big green engine of carnage can't lift. By virtue of that alone, Thor has the Hulk beat.

And there is nothing - absolutely nothing - that Stark can throw at the Hulk that he can't just shrug off or power through. The only trump card he has is his Tesseract-in-all-but-name arc reactor, and that's only useful if Thor opts to fry him.

And don't EVEN get me started on the comic-verse.

Thor > Hulk > Stark
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Post Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:21 pm

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Yes, it's an actual single author on the other side.
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Post Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:52 pm

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Let's talk power.

Tony Stark is a genius billionaire playb-yeahyeah, okay. He's clearly got brains and money, having the resources and intelligence to improve upon the Iron Man suit from box of scraps to jetpack-packing badass in two years. But the source of that power is the arc reactor, which has also been perfected from an emergency backup unit built in Afghanistan to something approaching the Tesseract in terms of power output. His suits are made of a gold-titanium alloy, and packs repulsors, rockets, darts, laser cutters, and the kitchen sink.

Thor has physical strength aplenty as well as Mjolnir. He doesn't have the arsenal that Stark can bring to bear. He also doesn't need it. Mjolnir has been shown to be a very multipurpose tool, able to be used for precision as well as mass destruction when need be. Further, it controls lightning, conjures storms, and will only respond to the worthy wielder. And as physical body strength goes, Thor can crush the Iron Man suit like a soda can, and throws punches that (as said before) can stagger the goddamn Hulk. To say nothing of his offhand nemoidian of Tony, which sent him flying a la Yoda in Revenge of the Sith.

Thor takes it away in the power category.

Let's talk tactics.

Thor's a seasoned warrior, having a fair few centuries of battle under his belt, sometimes going out of his way for a fight. Dude can, as a mere mortal, make an entire platoon of SHIELD agents look like utter clowns, and was unscathed in a battle with Frost Giants while his friends needed to retreat. Douche move, but we're not talking about team tactics here. As far as being a solo fighter goes, Thor seems yet to meet an equal.

Tony's brilliant, scientifically-speaking. And it's clear he knows how to use the Iron Man to its fullest potential, coming up with plans to destroy weapon stores in Afghanistan, and using nifty tricks learned throughout his two films to take down the bad guy; using his personal experience to freeze Stane's knockoff at 50,000+ feet as well as blow up Vanko's knockoff by way of crossing the streams. But these are tricks that he adapted to rather than learned outright, used more as an offhand "Eureka!" rather than actual combat experience.

While no slouch himself, Tony wouldn't hold up against a seasoned fighter like Thor. Two nil, folks.

Sooooo...

Thor has this down with nary a contest.
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Post Sun Jun 03, 2012 8:00 pm

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So in other words, a more evenly matched fight would be Thor vs. Goku (I would say Thor vs. Superman, but the fact that Thor has magic would end that fight pretty quick).
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Post Sun Jun 03, 2012 8:06 pm

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Just taking into consideration fighting abilities and not necessarily who is more entertaining, I'd count Ironman as at the very least equal to Thor, if not able to outright beat him despite all of Thor's powers.

What Stark lacks in centuries of fighting experience, he makes up for in both his mathematical genius and his computerized systems, which have not been so much as acknowledged in this thread yet. He has more than just powerful technology, he has instant access to a massive database that, combined with his own statistical mind, can calculate, target, and execute the absolute best course of action with the highest probability of a desirable outcome. For all of Thor's and Hulk's abilities, neither one of them can do that in the heat of battle.

I'd say where Stark trumps them both is in his ability to improvise and adjust as needed, always manipulating the situation to where and what he wants it to be. You don't need to be the strongest martial artist in order to win. It can be played like a game of chess instead of one of brute strength.

Plus, while Hulk and Thor are pretty much limited to what they already have, Stark is constantly tinkering, adding to, and improving his technology. He's getting stronger and more powerful with each new model of his suit and weaponry. Since neither Thor nor Hulk have that same predictable and steady increase of abilities or power, I see Ironman easily surpassing them some day, if not today.
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Post Sun Jun 03, 2012 8:07 pm

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Batman would win.
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Post Sun Jun 03, 2012 8:27 pm

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Priya raises some good points. I hadn't accounted for JARVIS or Tony's database, or for the fact that Iron Man gets more powerful with each iteration. But from where I stand, they still don't quite cut it.

Mostly because the Arc Reactor is complete.

As had been said before, Tony's been able to improve on the battery in the past, bringing it from an emergency backup plan to something on par with the Tesseract. No easy feat. But the new element that Tony created was the final step in the technology. The suits may go further, but the thing that powers them is now as static as Mjolnir. And as proven in the final moments of The Avengers, that new, incredibly powerful power source CAN run out. In fact, it fared just about as well as the Mk. I battery held up in the original red/gold armor. In order to fully utilize its potential, Tony would somehow have to outdo Asgardian magic, which I think is beyond even his intellect and means.

What's more, calling up database information may be helpful in a fight, but that carries the risk of being blindsided, and Tony knows that; every time he spoke to JARVIS or Rhodey or Pepper about tactics, it was during a lull in combat. When telling Pepper to overload the Stark Industries reactor, he was hiding behind an air conditioner. When talking to Rhodey about his presence in Afghanistan, he was hiding under an F-22. And when he was speaking to JARVIS, Stane was powering up his own rocket shoes to take chase. He never did that in the heat of battle, he did that in the lulls. Being distracted, even for a moment, meant bad, bad things could happen.

Side note: the madder the Hulk gets, the stronger he gets. He's limited to strength and anger, yes, but as the fight goes on, he's only going to get more and more pissed off.
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Post Sun Jun 03, 2012 8:57 pm

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[quote="KR-04":3arl8z52]Priya raises some good points. I hadn't accounted for JARVIS[/quote:3arl8z52]

[color=#FFFF00:3arl8z52]Damn right you didn't. I got Iron Man's back, yo.[/color:3arl8z52]
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Post Sun Jun 03, 2012 9:00 pm

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Has no one heard of the Hulkbuster armor? Tony was able to go hand to hand with the Hulk for an extended amount of time. There was also purpose built Thorbuster armor, but from what I understand it never saw any real use before it was destroyed.
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Post Sun Jun 03, 2012 9:10 pm

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Thorbuster?

You mean the armor that Tony built SPECIFICALLY to take down the God of Thunder, built out of EXACTLY the same metal used to create Mjolnir, and was DECOMMISSIONED by the very guy it was meant to subdue?

Yeah. No.
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Post Sun Jun 03, 2012 9:22 pm

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I'm just going by the wiki. But I really don't like Thor, so it's all good.
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Post Sun Jun 03, 2012 9:26 pm

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I will definitely have to go with the God with this one.

I mean look at it like this. Yeah Stark is a genius and can build nifty gadgets, however. What some people seem to be forgetting, is that the 'Asgardian Magic' is a 'mix' of magic AND science.


I would consider their technology more advanced by centuries.

And, did I say Thor is a god?
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Post Sun Jun 03, 2012 11:10 pm

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Tony might as well be by now. Superhuman intelligence, a healing factor to rival Wolverine's and he can call his suit up with the power of thought. 360 degree vision due to a neural connection with his repulsors, and he's got a kriff awesome facial hair arrangement.
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Post Mon Jun 04, 2012 1:48 am

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I would win...
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Post Mon Jun 04, 2012 7:59 am

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[quote="Old Man Eralam":1wx4ij4e]Tony might as well be by now. Superhuman intelligence, a healing factor to rival Wolverine's and he can call his suit up with the power of thought. 360 degree vision due to a neural connection with his repulsors, and he's got a kriff awesome facial hair arrangement.[/quote:1wx4ij4e]
And in the comic timeline you're referencing, Thor survived in the heart of the sun with no discomfort and can destroy entire [i:1wx4ij4e]planets[/i:1wx4ij4e] simply by punching them. He also recreated the moon on a whim and can regrow missing limbs (though what it would take to remove a limb I don't ever want to find out, as it would likely mean the end of the marvel universe).

At best, Tony is a human transformer. And a very powerful one at that, but not on a level with Thor. If he can't beat him using a suit of armor specifically designed to beat him, that pretty much settles it.
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Post Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:51 am

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[quote="Aerandir Calmcacil":3ppf2r0r]Batman would win.[/quote:3ppf2r0r]
I am Batman!
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Post Mon Jun 04, 2012 10:55 am

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Marvel, DC....money is always the best super power.
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Post Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:18 am

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No being me is the best superpower...of course for those other average people I guess money can work.
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